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posted by ELee_DPT 11d ago

Peptide safety after surgery, what are we actually seeing side effect wise

Had a post-op ACL patient ask me about running BPC-157 during rehab and I realized I don't have a solid answer on the angiogenesis question. Both BPC-157 and TB-500 are pro-angiogenic, that's part of the mechanism people like for graft healing, but that's also how tumors get a blood supply. Anyone here actually seen or heard of issues, or is this purely theoretical at this point? Also curious what people are seeing with drug interactions, a lot of my patients are on blood thinners or antibiotics post-op and I can't find anything on how peptides play with those.

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GKatz_ATCMid-Atlantic region6 points11d ago
I consult for a pro team and this comes up more than you'd think with guys rehabbing after surgery. Side effect wise the common stuff is mild, some site irritation, a headache here and there, nothing that's taken anyone off their program. The angiogenesis question is the one I actually take seriously though, it's biologically real even if nobody's published a case report tying it to a tumor.

Twenty plus years keeping athletes on the ice.

MDrake_DPTBaltimore, Maryland8 points11d ago
The mechanism concern is legit. New vessel formation is how these peptides are proposed to speed healing, and it's also exactly how a pre-cancerous lesion could get fed if someone has one sitting undetected. There's no case report showing this actually happened in a human, and the animal safety data on BPC-157 is genuinely reassuring, no organ toxicity across a lot of preclinical work. There was a small Phase I human IV safety trial too that didn't flag anything major, but it was limited in scope, small numbers, short duration. So we're extrapolating from a pretty thin human dataset onto a population that's already stressed from surgery and often on other meds. That's the honest answer, not proven dangerous, not proven safe either.

Neuro rehab nerd, clinical educator.

NOuta_ResearchKenya4 points10d ago
Do we know the sample size on that Phase I trial? Limited scope is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

Science is only useful if people can use it.

MDrake_DPTBaltimore, Maryland7 points10d ago
Small, and it was IV dosing specifically, not the sub-q protocols most people here are actually running.

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TSalamanca_CTNew Haven, Connecticut2 points10d ago
My client had a mild headache week one, nothing after.

Motivation is the missing rep.

CKmiec_LALos Angeles, California5 points10d ago
Some redness at the injection site for me, gone in a day or two.

Technique first, load second.

BSearls_CoachOrlando, Florida3 points10d ago
When I went through my own post-op rehab I had a couple days of fatigue and a headache the first week, then nothing. Nowhere near what the surgery itself put me through.

Been through rehab myself. It works if you work it.

ELee_DPTMaryland, Washington D.C. metro area2 points10d ago
For those of you with a cancer history or family history, has anyone actually gotten screened or gotten cleared before starting a peptide, or is that just not something people think about going in?

Lost my career to a knee. Now I fix them.

LBenz_PTLouisville, Kentucky2 points10d ago
At my practice we require disclosure before combining anything peptide related with PT, not to gatekeep but because the blood thinner interaction gap is real, there's essentially zero published data on how BPC-157 or TB-500 behave alongside anticoagulants or antibiotics. Absence of reported problems isn't the same thing as proven safe, it just means nobody's looked. I'd rather have the surgeon and whoever's running the peptide protocol both know what the other has the patient on.

Humanize the rehab process.

SHathaway_Strong6 points10d ago
Never had one of my older clients report a real problem, mostly just mild stuff.

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DrSempeposBerkeley Heights, NJ3 points9d ago
Worth naming too that post-surgical patients are often anxious and hypervigilant about their bodies, so normal recovery sensations sometimes get misattributed to whatever new thing they just started, peptide or otherwise. Doesn't mean the concerns here aren't valid, angiogenesis is a real conversation, but it's worth separating fear driven symptom scanning from an actual adverse reaction when you're talking someone through their first few weeks.

Mind and body, same system.

BCole_FSTHouston, Texas3 points9d ago
I see this with fascial stretch clients post-op fairly often, the complaints are almost always local injection irritation, rarely anything systemic.

Move well first. Everything else follows.

ASeconds_SacSacramento, California5 points9d ago
Switching to sub-q killed the nausea for me completely.

Kettlebells and barbells, ten years in.

ELee_DPTMaryland, Washington D.C. metro area4 points8d ago
This is helpful, going to make sure my patient loops her surgeon in before she starts anything.

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GKatz_ATCMid-Atlantic region2 points8d ago
Always loop the surgeon in, non negotiable with post-op patients.

Twenty plus years keeping athletes on the ice.

NOuta_ResearchKenya1 points8d ago
Still think we need actual human trial data beyond one small Phase I before calling any of this settled, anecdotal reports aren't causal evidence.

Science is only useful if people can use it.

ELee_DPTMaryland, Washington D.C. metro area3 points8d ago
Fair, appreciate everyone weighing in on this one.

Lost my career to a knee. Now I fix them.